[Round One] Aizen VS Suigetsu

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[Round One] Aizen VS Suigetsu

Post  Soul on Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:30 am

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Match two of round one is Aizen the rough captain against Suigetsu, the aquatic wielder of the demon blade. A very hard and fun match up!

Start by making a confidential vote (one) then post with evidence, links/videos, and reasons why you think that person will win. This is not the finale vote nor does it decide the winner. This is just a prevote to start the battle off!! Vote based on, strength, will to fight, is the character a evil enough villain, etc. Not just on who would win a fight. Remember to do your research and battle away!


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Re: [Round One] Aizen VS Suigetsu

Post  Soul on Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:44 pm

so let me start by saying i love suigetsu, he has got to be one of my favorite characters not only in naruto but in anime.

As far as it gos for who is more evil, honestly i have to give it to aizen. He was a former captain who fooled the entire soul socity, betrayed them, caused others to leave and lead an entire group of evil people. Suigetsu, well he is just a tag along with sasuke not really being completly evil.

However i firmly believe that in a head on head fight, suigetsu could win. Sure aizen is fast, strong and has a unique weapon form at his dispoasal. But research shows that the Hōgyoku eventually rejects his body, meaning he dosnt have full use of it. Plus he dosnt even use his zanpakto at a point. To me he is a unstable fighter that is extremly strong, when the time is right. Suigetsu on the other hand is fairly fast, but has the unique ability to turn into water, making any attack pass right through him. Also he can cause the water in his body to expand limbs such as his arm. This can make him much more physicaly stronger than aizen. He also uses zabuzas great demon blade, that never chips or breaks, and if it does it absorbs blood to regrow. This blade is capible of decapitating and severing aizen with a mere swing, and combined with suigetsu water limbs, its a destructive force.

Also, aizen, like i said before, is unstable, he is mad and greedy, this makes him evil true, but risky. Suigetsu is a firm calm evil, he dosnt rely on a ability that rejects his body or may give out on him. To me aizen is a one trick pony, after all he used hollows and other subodinates while sitting int he shadows, suigetsu got out there and destroyed, he dosnt even need the blade to fight.

So sure aizen is evil, but to me suigetsu makes a more devloped enemy and is much more better in a fight.
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Re: [Round One] Aizen VS Suigetsu

Post  Iris on Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:15 pm

So my vote has to go for aizen.

I agree with what you say about how it eventually rejects him, but if it is used too much at once. If he stops for a while after using it he can maintain it and it won't reject him. And I agree sugetsu is great but I just have to say aizen is better.

Aizen for the win.

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Post  WolfheadMGJ on Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:17 pm

For the one who is most definitely more evil, Aizen takes the cake. From what you have provided on this site, it seems that Suigetsu simply likes to fight. A lot. However, Aizen manages to successfully infiltrate the soul society and reach the rank of captain, and completely blindside the entire soul society. The only ones who could have exposed him had either been exiled or turned into Vizards. It is apparent that they were unable to expose him because he is still around when Ichigo and friends charge in attempting to rescue Rukia.

Aizen wouldn't need the Hyogoku to not to reject him 100% of the time, as he would not need that much time to win a fight. Also, both videos presented on Aizen are very close together chronolaically, and this shows he still has his zanpukato. He could very use whichever he felt was all that was necessary in order to defeat Suigetsu. On a side note, I find it funny how his opponent's name is also that of his sword. Anyway, its obvious that Aizen's fighting prowess and capabilities exceed that of Suigetsu. But I suppose that's my opinion, to be politically correct. Even if he didn't have his zanpukto and the Hyogoku were to reject him, he still has the spells that the soul society use.

Another thing I would like to point out is that Aizen is a Soul Reaper. As such, Suigetsu wouldn't be able to see or interact with Aizen unless he was dead or removed from his body. If this happened, Suigetsu would also have a chain attached to his chest attaching him to his living body, but he would essentially be defensless in this state. However, this is not true for Aizen. He could very well interact with the world of the living. His overwhelming Spiritual pressure also could even leave Suigetsu unable to move.

Also, for future reference, I believe it would be benefitial to the purpose of this site to include, for lack of a better word, the "rules of both universe involved in the discussion.
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Re: [Round One] Aizen VS Suigetsu

Post  Soul on Wed Oct 05, 2011 2:15 pm

Ok with a 3 to 3 vote, someone must be convinced and pursauded.

I will start with my counter argument Smile

To nip this where it stands, the universe does not effect the characters, for that is a unfair advantage to any one in this tournament, not just these two. So no gained effects or abilities through the world they may come from.

I will agree that aizen is more evil, thats obvious as i stated before. Suigetsu is evil, but when it comes down to it aizen is just evilerer.

However i still disagree with the fight. Yes aizen does not need neither hsi zanpaktou nor the Hōgyoku to be strong, he is a very skilled fightning alone. But so is suigetsu, note one of the posted videos shows him fighting a large crowd of armed men with his bare hands. So to me they are both equal at that point.

Now, as you say aizen can use spells from the soul society, very true indeed, but alas suigetsu can use water jutsu and freely control water. This to me is a equal force on the spells. And yet suigetsu can still turn himself into water, becoming imperaible to any phyiscal or mental attack. and this does not require any chakra thus allowing him to use it any time he wishes.

Now as far as the weapons go. Aizen can not use both the Hōgyoku and zanpaktou at the same time, meaning he must choose his weapon. And at some point he eventually gives up the zanpaktou. The Hōgyoku is extremly powerful, i agree, but alas it cant be used for extended periods of time, or it will kill him. And it does eventually reject his body.

With suigetsu and aizen equal in unarmed fighting it comes down to their longevity and usage of weapons. with suigetsu able to liqufy and use hsi ability 100% of the time, he is the better choice.
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Re: [Round One] Aizen VS Suigetsu

Post  WolfheadMGJ on Wed Oct 05, 2011 3:44 pm

I wasn't referring to them getting extra abilities, I was referring to the fact that Aizen is technically a spirit. So in his world, suigetsu would not know he was in front of him. Also, Aizen does not use chakra, but in Naruto everyone has chakra.

Also, Aizen takes on most of the captains in the video posted and easily holds them off and deals them damage, while remaining unsctahed himself. Suigetsu fought regular men, enemies he wouldn't have to even use his full measure of abilities. He simply outmatched them due to his ninja training, without having to use a single jutsu due to teh nature of his eneimes and their abilities.

Also, Treachery ranks up pretty high on the evil scale.
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Re: [Round One] Aizen VS Suigetsu

Post  Soul on Wed Oct 05, 2011 3:53 pm

as far as evil gos aizen has it....

Also the suigetsu seeing aizen issue is nulled because of the previous statement, the universe dosnt matter. and i agree the people suigetsu fought were regular humans, and his ninja skills surpassed them. But kisame, the second video, is argueably as strong as aizen also, he can deff take on many of the captians, and suigetsu could hold his own.

Honestly, if aizen didnt use the hogukyko and kept hsi zanpakto, he would win. But with suigetsus water form, big ass cleaver and jutsu, he can take aizen down when he is at hsi weak point, when he must recharge the ability. Suigetsu does not need to recharge ^.^ Would you go into battle with a weapon that had a high risk of failing, killing you and rejecting your body? or would you take a weapon into battle that was effect 100% of the time with no recharge or side effects??
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Re: [Round One] Aizen VS Suigetsu

Post  WolfheadMGJ on Wed Oct 05, 2011 4:38 pm

You know what, the Hyogoku statement is right. aizen causes his own downfall. Fight wise, he loses. Villain wise, its Aizen. If he had kept his zanpokto, he would be able to run circles around Suigetsu.

But alas, this is not the case.
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Re: [Round One] Aizen VS Suigetsu

Post  Iris on Wed Oct 05, 2011 8:18 pm

So thanks for both arguing I guess. But what I have to say is. Matt you are right. Villain wise aizen deffinetly takes the cake. Soul even said that in his voting post. But this isn't all about who is a bigger and badder villain. It's about who is better in a fight. I know aizen will lose the fight. But i am not going to switch sides just because he is my pick and I still support him.

However. If aizen didn't use the hogyoku I think he might win. Just maybe though. It's a chance and he has a better chance than with the hogyoku. Since it does basically kill him he is probably better off without it. It just gives him more power for a little bit. When with just his sword he is power all the time.

Zack had said that should probably pick whether or not he has the hogyoku since heis my character.

Soul may I pick whether or not he has it?

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Re: [Round One] Aizen VS Suigetsu

Post  Soul on Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:50 am

ehhh...im kinda hesitant to say no, not because its my character he is fighting, but because at the pick dankaiba chicklet and even you had to specfy certain versions of ur choices. Like u picked wesker and said specfically from RE5. Chicklet picked arbiter specficaly from halo wars. So in my opinion if ti was not specified at the begining of the pick, we have to assume he has everything he currently has at the point of his character.

I dont wanna open the gate by saying yes you can, and now everyone will change forms or such during a battle if it will benifit them. Understand?
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Re: [Round One] Aizen VS Suigetsu

Post  Iris on Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:50 pm

That's cool I understand.

Just move along with the decision making

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Re: [Round One] Aizen VS Suigetsu

Post  Soul on Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:37 am

ok well i think this is about done, everyone has said their point, we have debated and i think it is time for a revote. As before cast your vote above for who you believe is the baddest villain, we need a 4-2 vote to end the round. If it is tied a second time we will go into a skull splinting argument round ^.^
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Re: [Round One] Aizen VS Suigetsu

Post  WolfheadMGJ on Sat Oct 08, 2011 7:36 pm

On to the next one it seems.
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